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HDR is not photo-manip. updated.

Thu Jun 29, 2006, 7:07 AM
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J O U R N A L

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Hey y'all!

I've been away for awhile fighting forest fires here in Northwestern Ontario.. having loads of fun and adventure with my crew.  My newest rookie McKay assures me he'll be coming back for another season after we hit a 5 hectare cutover fire a few days ago.. It was an exciting show with the CL-415 water bombers dropping 1400 gallons at a time right in front of us while the flame and smoke made our throats sore and eyes water.. for me (with 350 fires under my belt) it was just another day at the office.. but all my pleasure was derived by watching the look on his face as he saw this stuff for the first time :) .. working with the younger firefighters and feeding off their excitement and energy is what keeps me coming back every year.  At 39 (soon 40) my body doesn't weather the extreme conditions like it used to.. I'm currently working with a broken toe and sprained wrist.. but still able to carry myself quite well and leave more than one of those young pups in my dust ;)  ..I just tell them they need to get their 'bush legs'.

.. here's a sampling of my 'other life' even some of my closest friends aren't aware of:

fire collage

On a different note.. dA pissed me off when they re-located a few of my latest HDR shots.. they call them 'Photomanips'.

I assure you there is no manipulation involved with these shots.. nothing is taken away or added to these pictures.. nothing is pasted or cloned or altered other than the tones and color.  In fact alot more work has been going in to the photography side of these pieces than the post-process..

I drive for miles looking for abandoned buildings..carefully picking my locations using natural lighting and sometimes portable studio lighting.  My model goes through enormous pains to be dead-still for the multiple long-exposures involved in the bracketing process.. every attention is paid to camera settings.. I'm absolutely obsessed with angles and composition to avoid cropping..

all this to have my photo placed beside someones butterfly (which they didn't photograph) cut and pasted on a computer generated landscape.

It's photography damnit.. in every sense of the word.. the scene in the photo is what I saw in front of my camera.  It's time for dA and the rest of the photography world to open their eyes and realize that photography is changing with the advent of computers and digital cameras.. and the squabbling over all the puritan nonsense is moot.

These are the moved photos.. I put them in my scraps:

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Anyway.. sorry I haven't been able to participate around here the way I normally do.. when fire season is over, I'll be visiting all my friends more often .. until then ..just know that I love you all very much as I do my friends IRL .. this site means a hell of alot to me and my photographic aspirations and despite my ranting I still think dA is the greatest site on the net.. hands down.

Be good to yourselves my friends

Love y'all

Skinner

Updated on June 29, 06 :

This was my rebuttal to Garrit (who is kind enough to participate in this debate): [link]

I've toned down the anger somewhat here in my journal, because I did not intend to offend or attack anyone in particular.  I feel my argument has been made and the profound language I originally used no longer reflects my feelings right now and probably was detracting from the argument itself.  I would still like to encourage debate so I will leave the message intact.  Thank you to everyone who reponded in a mature fashion.. thats what good debate is about.

..I've removed my so-called "photomanips" into my scraps gallery.. because to me the word 'Scrap' is far more dignified than the word 'Photomanipulation'.

I am taken seriously as a photographer here in local galleries, but not where I send customers via business card.. time to create my own personal website I suppose.


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latest prints:

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~CellarDweller This new foray into a genre of photography completely different from my nature stuff has.. artistically speaking.. been an absolute breath of fresh air for me.  It's become, in fact, far more challenging and rewarding then I ever would have guessed.  I started with rural explorations such as old barns and abandoned farmhouse interiors and branched out into trespassing dangerous old industrial derelict buildings and shooting seedy alleyways at night in the worst parts of town...







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`ArtistsForCharity ..members donate a print to be sold with all proceeds going to UNICEF.

ArtForDeviants

~ArtForDeviants ..members donate a print to be sold with the proceeds going toward purchasing site-subscriptions for other deviants..

I'm now a member of ~Urban-Explorers & #UrbanExploration ..devoted and completely addicted to sneaking around in abandoned buildings.

Also a proud member of #NaturPics-club

  .... because the Earth matters :nod:

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:iconbillsabub:
Skinner-dude -

If it's a photo-manipulation, why did an HDR shot get a DD whilst filed under "Darkroom"?

[link]

Adding fuel to the fire. Something I know you can appreciate. ;)

-bill
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:iconmeohmyoh3333:
I absolutely ADORE your most current photos, they are so lush and rich with life, I hardly can see how someone might say they are to be considered manips..(maybe they were jealous-it does funny things to people)
Words really do escape me when I look at these, They are just plain out phenomenal, some of the best work I have ever seen.
Keep on keeping on!
M
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*Wivelrod Jul 2, 2006  Hobbyist Photographer
I love your HDR shots. So much so I've been thinking of trying out some myself (if I could just remember where I put that tripod...). I totally agree, their not photo manipulation in the traditional sense. I think perhaps the besst way to go with these is to get dA to add a Photography>HDR section. Theres no ambiguity in that.
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:iconepione:
~epione Jun 30, 2006  Hobbyist Photographer
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sounds like your having a good time out with the rookies! :D I always love that kind of stuff, the first time amazement and excitement, is a great thing :)

Take care of yourself ya hear! :wave:

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:iconfirul33t:
Fearful strike uhu? :headbang:
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:iconcola92:
~Cola92 Jun 29, 2006  Professional General Artist
I see what you mean and, for one, agree with you completely. I think this is a technique which deserves its own subcategory apart from the nonsense of photo-manips (which isn't to say that stuff like this [link] isn't amazing).
You've captured some breath-taking images at a high cost of time and energy, and you deserve the respect of your fellow artists.
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:iconfadetoblackphoto:
*FadeToBlackPhoto Jun 29, 2006  Professional Photographer
If you want any help with a site, I have some experience, I'd be more than willing to help you out
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:iconhorai:
About the update, I read an article on the web about creating HDR images in the darkroom but I can't find it now so maybe I was mistaken. I am of the opinion that there should be an HDR gallery as there is merit in both arguments although my personal opinion is in agreement with wb-skinner.
I will now fruitlessly search for the previously mentioned article. :D
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:iconfirul33t:
You can do HDR in a Dark Room... My Photography Techer told me a few days ago :)
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:iconhorai:
I new I wasn't dreaming it, thanks very much. :D
I've looked everywhere for that bloody article but can I find it? No way.

Well this sort of changes the argument because theoretically, the HDR images shoould be placed in the Darkroom gallery in that case and take their rightful place in the photography section.
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