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This crazy war on terror...

Mon Mar 6, 2006, 8:10 PM
J O U R N A L

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I'm just floored by a couple of Canadian politicians arguing about whether or not to hold parliamentary discussions concerning our military's new role as lead-force in Afghanistan.  One guy has the nerve to still use the word 'peacekeeping'..  PEACEKEEPING MY ASS!

It's a full fledge war zone again over there with the Taliban on the offensive.. just yesterday one of our soldier/correspondant types was sitting at a meeting with some town elders when a flipped out fanatic stuck an axe in the side of his head.. our soldiers are dying at an alarming rate over there and this jaggoff has the nerve to use the word 'peacekeeping'!

Doesn't ANYONE remember what the Afghans did to the Russians??  This is not even a war ..this war on terrorism.  Its an undefined mess is what it is.  And yes..I'll get political here.. cause I'm damn angry..

The leaders of the western world are out of thier minds if they think they'll ever make hard-core Islamic states into perfect little democratic countries where everyone has a house, a good job, and drives a Volkswagen.  It's just not realistic.  So if that isn't the goal..what is?

Can someone answer this question?  How is this war on terrorism won?  ..When is it declared OVER?..  or won? ..or lost?  Won't there always be people left who hate the capitalist world?  Aren't we making two 'enemies' whenever one is killed?

Here's both sides of the coin as seen from my western-world limited perspective:

THEORY #1 : Leave the middle east alone.. swallow the over-inflated capitalist pride and stop making war in foreign countries.. stop giving anyone a reason to hate having a foreign policy shoved down thier throat.  Abandon ALL interests (political, ideological, and economical) in the Middle East, pull the troops out, and admit defeat..

pros: western-world soldiers will go home to thier families ...thousands of lives will immediately be spared.  'terrorism' goes away because it is no longer necessary.

cons: Saddam-like regimes will flourish again.. the Taliban comes back to power.  Human rights will be trampled again ... price of oil sky-rockets.  Iran gets the Bomb.  Isreal gets invaded or anihilated..fights back and takes a few neighbors into total destruction with them.

THEORY #2 : Stay the coarse.  Fight until every western-world-hater is dead, whether it takes 100 years or not.  Fight the propoganda war until there are overwhelmingly more supporters of democracy than Islamic law or totalitarianism and every country in the world has conformed to the western world notion of human rights, equality and freedom for all.

pros: there is a small chance that eventually (and very eventually) all countries are democratic, human rights are restored, and there are no more rogue-states with WMD's.

cons: Millions will die in battle.  Free countries will continue to live in fear of terror attacks for years to come.  Fundemental Islamic doctrine will become diluted as it mixes with the rules of democracy. Trillions of dollars will be spent on the war efforts as opposed to being spent on worthy causes.

Do you see how damn confusing this whole thing is?  Answers are not entirely clear any more.  It may have gone too far to just pull out.  That makes George Bush right! uggh.. the very thought makes my toenails curl!

I'd love to hear some opinions on this.. especially from my Muslim friends.

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:iconhorai:
I'm not going to say much because I'll get on a rant but I'm sick to the back teeth of muslim and christian fundamentalists of all persuasions with their quasi political/religious beliefs. I'm pissed off with the fact that getting freedom for a country I've never been to and have no intention of ever going to is costing me my freedom at home. It's ironic that in the name of human rights for another country I'm forced to forego my own.

Lastly, if politicians want to fight then fine, give 'em an M16 or a Kalashnikov, some ammo, a few grenades and put them in a large open space somewhere and let them do the fighting, I reckon their ardour for power and glory would wane somewhat.

Signing of now because I'm gettin angry but I will say to these morons that as far as I'm concerned, He's your god, they're your rules, you burn in hell and stop trying to inflict your morals and rules on me. :( :(
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:iconserenidade:
~Serenidade Mar 9, 2006  Hobbyist General Artist
I really don't know how to say, everything i have to say about this subject, so I will try.

I am a 65% Bush supporter, I agree with him in many aspects, and that makes me a very non-popular person... well..screw it !..I'm not on Earth to be popular anyway...lol

Unfortunetly, the thing that flies today is to call every name on Earth that you can think and pin it on Bush whetaher is right or wrong.

Terrorism DOES exist... its not a joke, and its not a "brain-wash tool" as many people (specially from Liberal patrties) like to suggest. The war on terrorism as been going on for decades, centuries and even milleniums, it just had different names.

During the 80's we lost the count of how many airplanes were hijacked, and how many hostages were killed, execution style...by whom ?? Islamic fanatical terrorists... than in 86 the first WTC attemot... druing decades several suicide bombers have killed innocent ppl just for the sake and wishes of "Allah".

Than come cartoons... Mohamed with a bomb turbant... while in Islamic countries, western ppl are portraid in cartoons as where they are decapitated or sodmized with bombs... but ...hey .. if its not american ...its all good.

I believe Saddam is guilty of having WMD's, and i bleiev they were shipped to Syria, before they could be found, becuase thats what the UN wanted to happen.

It sadness me, that it seems common sense is lost in our society anymore. Where good is bad and bad is good... where if you force women, to be nothing but child bearing ignorant mute beeing that is "Freedom of Religion", but if you wish to give a country democracy so women can go to school... that is "dictatorship" and it is imposing your way in others... as anyone ever thought that we would not be where we are , if someone didnt come along and "imposed" a new form of life.

What I am trying to say is... there are "Islamic fanatics" that wont rest untill we all have "burkhas" or something like that, and this has been going on for thousands of years... sometimes its gets stringer...others is subsides... just do some real history research and you will see. And because of my way of thinking i have been called a hate monger and a racist... well ...if wanting to keep my way of living safe is beeing a racist and a hate monger than i am one...what can I say.

I agree with Bush, and I think he is right in defending not only the Usa, but also Israel from Fundamenatlis Lunatics who seek nothing but everyone elses destruction.

Unfortunetly noone else in the world moves a finger for nothing... and then a they all point the finger to the USA for finishing the problesm that everyone else ignored... just like with Hitler... Rooselvelt warned ppl for years about Hitler... the world ignored him and than there it was...the Holocaust and the WWII... and than came Japan... the world ignored it to the point it was impossible to solve anymore... so the Nukes were fired and everyone pointed the finger ate the evil Americans... as usual... but my point is the same is happening with the fundamentalist Islamic terrorists....the world is in its majority hidding and avoying a problme that will literally explode in our faces... just wait untill Iran has a nuclear weapon...if they don't have it already.

And that is my rambling on this subject,.....
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:iconwb-skinner:
hmm.. you make some very good points here.. I thoroughly enjoyed reading it and just want to say thanks for sharing your point of view.. :)
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:iconserenidade:
~Serenidade Mar 10, 2006  Hobbyist General Artist
you're very welcome :)
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:iconmagpie-poet:
honestly, at this point i'm too bloody floored and pissed to have anything coherent to say. (and i'm arguing even closer to the home front over south dakota right now, i'll return to my overseas affairs rage once i calm down over that or run out of spleen...)

i dunno, i keep thinking of lennon and imagine. extremes are the problem, on both sides. the answer, i have no idea. we need a new enlightenment, and a few good geniuses to help....
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:iconwb-skinner:
I appreciate you sharing your point of view with us Sandra.. thanks for weighing in.. I enjoyed reading it! :)
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:iconmagpie-poet:
i love your rants :D it's really nice to hear people getting ticked, and even more to admitting how confusing things are. (always good to know i'm not the only bewildered person out there.)
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:iconwytrvn:
~wytrvn Mar 8, 2006  Professional Photographer
Everytime a sovereign power presumes to impose their ideology on another country, they escalate the existing tensions there. It doesn't help that countries like USA (prob not alone) fund countries like Isreal, setting up a false sense of security & wealth.

IMHO, the proper way to deal with countries whose system we disagree with or that are run by dictatorships, is to close the borders, only allowing people to leave: NO weapons, money or people to be allowed back in, thus preventing those who leave, to affect the conflict within the country. Whatever ideological conflict going on will eventually be settled & in the case of a dictator... they die sooner or later!
As much as I feel great sorrow for the people of the Middle East who have suffered under their leaders, it is THEIR place to change the status quo - not OURS. Anything else will settle nothing, merely prolong it.

It constantly amazes me that the people who lead the western nations, with their expensive educations, have learned nothing from history!
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:iconwb-skinner:
thanks for sharing your point of view Katrina ..I enjoyed reading it :)
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:iconusm08:
the only action that needs to be taken is to make bush clean up his own mess. he also needs to sort out his priorities. AKA take care of all the problems in America, before progressing onto the rest of the world.
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